TASMANIAN CROWN SEALS - a survey

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John Hardinge · #51 Post by **John Hardinge** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:28 pm

The Broadmarsh is very small, but all the first series of crown seals ordered were that size. Over the years they varied in size but were all bigger than the first issue.

#52 Post by **Ross Ewington** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:26 am

POST OFFICE · WATTLE GROVE LOWER

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The pair has been re-joined and it is believed that there was one further stamp
with a partial impression making up a strip of three. This outstanding Crown Seal
impression will be offered at auction sometime early in 2013

POST OFFICE · PENGHANA

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#53 Post by **Ross Ewington** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:22 pm

KELLEVIE

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Has anyone seen another example?

also BROADMARSH UP(PE)R (in Sir Henry Somerset collection auctioned by Moss Green, Melbourne on 18.2.2014)

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Ashford Stamps · #54 Post by **Ashford Stamps** » Wed May 14, 2014 10:44 am

Ross Ewington wrote:POST OFFICE · WATTLE GROVE LOWER

The pair has been re-joined and it is believed that there was one further stamp
with a partial impression making up a strip of three. This outstanding Crown Seal
impression will be offered at auction sometime early in 2013

see http://tps.org.au/bb/viewtopic.php?f=9& ... 4740#p3790

Hi Ross, do you know what the Wattle Grove Lower pair achieved? Here is a single Wattle Grove Lower crown seal we have come across.

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#55 Post by **Ross Ewington** » Wed May 14, 2014 2:05 pm

Ashford Stamps wrote:Hi Ross, do you know what the Wattle Grove Lower pair achieved?

The postmark was sold by Tasmanian Stamp Auctions for $360 + 11% which thought was a very good result as there are quite a number of Wattle Grove Lower Crown Seal impressions known on Pictorials though none of them match this quality to the best of my knowledge, thus a 'premium' had to be paid to ensure acquisition.

#56 Post by **Ross Ewington** » Sat May 09, 2015 1:28 pm

FLORENTINE - applied to back of post office form dated 31 DEC 1925

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griffofromtas · #57 Post by **griffofromtas** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:07 pm

Recently acquired Crown Seals. Most appear on official forms of some sort and I have posted parts of these forms hopefully for someone to identify where , when and why they were used. There is also one seal I could not identify so any help appreciated. Thanks

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griffofromtas · #58 Post by **griffofromtas** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:09 pm

Some More

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griffofromtas · #59 Post by **griffofromtas** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:14 pm

Last One Natone Upper and Unknown if anyone can identify.

Malcolm Groom · #60 Post by **Malcolm Groom** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:23 pm

I think the last one is Blue Tier

Malcolm

Malcolm Groom · #61 Post by **Malcolm Groom** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:26 pm

I also think the seal you note as "Red River" is in fact "Geo River"

Malcolm

John Hardinge · #62 Post by **John Hardinge** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:37 pm

A very nice lot indeed. Unknown Crown Seal is Pelverata. Red River is Geo River(Georges River, the early name for Pyengana)

griffofromtas · #63 Post by **griffofromtas** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:40 pm

Thanks Malcolm
Have you any idea on the forms they appear on, I am thinking it is some sort of checklist identifying what is on hand at each post office .
Cheers Daryl

griffofromtas · #64 Post by **griffofromtas** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:41 pm

Thanks John

Malcolm Groom · #65 Post by **Malcolm Groom** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:20 am

Daryl,

Would you be able to scan a complete form and post it?

I believe they were some sort of monthly (?) register the PM had to maintain recording all the implements he held.They also maintained a daily record of their date stamp showing that they had used the correct date.

Malcolm

griffofromtas · #66 Post by **griffofromtas** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:29 am

Hi Malcolm
Unfortunately the largest piece of form I have is the scan below which on one side has the partial list and the other has the datestamp and crown seal of paradise which may show it as a office register of some sort being that examples of each strike are on the same form
Thanks for any response
Daryl

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Malcolm Groom · #67 Post by **Malcolm Groom** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:02 am

Darryl,

With permission of the friendly proprietor of Tasmanian Stamp Auctions I have included an image of the form for the Florentine strikes which they recently sold. Whilst not exactly the same as the partial forms you have posted they do indicate some form of inventory list required to be completed by the PM either as a monthly (or regular period) stocktake or in the case of the Florentine form to be completed when handing over to a new PM

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Malcolm Groom · #68 Post by **Malcolm Groom** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:35 pm

Further thoughts - these forms probably relate to those completed by PO Inspectors who took an inventory of the assets and hand stamps held by the Postmaster on a regular basis.

This seems to fit with the types of equipment in the partial form in an earlier post e.g.

21 Pigeon holes
22 Private boxes
23 Presser, Letter
24 Safe
25 Hand B....
26 ....
27 Seal

25 - 27 Scales

The later posting seem to indicate:

23 Private boxes
24 Safe
25 Su...
26 to 29 Scales
30 to 31 Seal

32 to 35 ....?

More detectives need on the case or hopefully a complete form. My guesses accord with the type of equipment one would expect to be used in a Post Office especially when compare to the Adamsfield transfer form above.

Malcolm

griffofromtas · #69 Post by **griffofromtas** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:07 pm

Hi Malcolm
Thanks for all your efforts,I will keep searching for more info and examples of these forms as I hope others will too,interesting topic in its own right.
Thanks again
Daryl

Malcolm Groom · #70 Post by **Malcolm Groom** » Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:01 pm

Found a full example of the Form posted by Daryl which dates at least up to 1970 and relates to the stocktake carried out when a transfer of PM takes place. Hopefully this throws some more light on the crown seals pieces.

Malcolm

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#71 Post by **Ross Ewington** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 3:45 pm

A rather nice impression of the WATTLE GROVE LOWER Crown Seal on a 2d Pictorial

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To be auctioned by an anonymous Tasmanian stamp auction house on October 10th, 2015

#72 Post by **Ross Ewington** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:51 pm

A few more - all from the Avery collection

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#73 Post by **Ross Ewington** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:46 am

seen "on eBay" - August 29th 2016

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can anyone identify this one ??

...long name, appears to end with PORT or POINT

Malcolm Groom · #74 Post by **Malcolm Groom** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:11 pm

I would take a guess at Waterloo Point

John Hardinge · #75 Post by **John Hardinge** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:18 pm

It's Little Swanport without much doubt. Was used prior to the allocation of 104 most probably

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