watermark of 4d chalon star watermark

[songenaz]

Hi all
I have seen some chalons numeral watermark with parallell lines watermark (3 ) on each side of the sheet
Does some one know if I can find the same kind of watermark on a star watermark example?
Thanks for your help
laurent

[Ross Ewington]

It is unlikely that the 'Star' watermarked paper had lines around the edge of the sheet ..... I have never seen anything other than stars (!) on the 1855 4d Chalon.

RE

[songenaz]

Hi All
I hope all of you is safe and in good health!
I come back to this post as I have new information.

Here is Position 1 with parallel lines on the edge with 4 double lines watermark

Four pence pos.1.tif (1.55 MiB) Viewed 12586 times

Pos.1, back.tif (1.72 MiB) Viewed 12586 times

it is quite easy to find these lines on 4 double line Watermark

Still on the way to plate Chalon four pence, I found this star Watermark with parallel lines.
From Position 5, top row of the sheet.

Star Watermark parallel lines.tif (1.23 MiB) Viewed 12586 times

Star Watermark parallel lines back.tif (1.23 MiB) Viewed 12586 times

Retroreveal star Watermark back.tif (419.64 KiB) Viewed 12586 times

I have check other star Watermak from side of the sheet and find nothing like that.

happy to have your opinion on this stamp.

Laurent

[Ross Ewington]

Hi Laurent

you have to post images as a .jpg or a .gif on this site for the images to be displayed

best regards Ross (Moderator)

[songenaz]

Sorry for mistake
Here are images .jpg
First , position 1 with 4 double line Watermark

Position .1.jpg (285.29 KiB) Viewed 12578 times

And the back with parallel lines

Position.1.back.jpg (210.68 KiB) Viewed 12578 times

Now Position 5, top of the sheet

Star Watermark Parallel lines.jpg (224.89 KiB) Viewed 12578 times

The back

Star Watermark parallel lines back.jpg (135.91 KiB) Viewed 12578 times

And retroreveal image

Retroreveal Star Watermark back jpeg.jpg (311.42 KiB) Viewed 12578 times

Thanks for your help

Laurent

[admin]

My 'best guess' is that a sheet or star watermark paper, during the papermaking process somehow ended up with a scrap of wire adhering to the papermaking frame and this gave rise to the additional shape above the star. My understanding is that the Perkins Bacon security watermark paper was made by placing paper pulp in a frame in which the watermark images were laid. These were formed from wire bent into the required shape and these shapes produced different pape density where the wire shape occured.
Maybe a small section of the border decoration became detached and ended up within the papermaking frame or maybe a scarp of workshop waste wire fell onto the frame
The Star watermark paper did in fact have a considerable amount of design around the edges including the word "POSTAGE" and a variety of elongates shapes. Part of one of thse could have become damaged and moved
This paper was made some two years before the lined numeral paper was sent to Tasmania. I cant see that the lined numeral paper would easily end up with a stray star shape .

I have managed to find one image of a complete sheet of paper - attached.

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[songenaz]

Thanks Pete for your opinion.
I am not sure it's an accident as lines looks really parallel
But I have also no other solution to suggest...
Does someone know where I can find article about watermark on Four Double line watermark?
Very few informations in Tinsley's Book.
I know I have read something about these marginal lines somewhere, but I do not remember where.
Thanks for your help

Laurent

[admin]

Laurent,
if it was a part of the border decoration then some of this has a parallel line - but I am far from confident this is the explanation - just my best guess.
I found two more examples of Star watermark paper which shows the border decoration but as for the lined numeral paper, nothing so far. I am assuming this was the star watermark paper used in Tasmania.
These images were posted in Stampboards here https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=80813

Star watermak paper -2.jpg (85.6 KiB) Viewed 12517 times

Star watermak paper -1.jpg (70.37 KiB) Viewed 12517 times