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Best way to display Tasmanian postmarks??
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 2:58 pm
by sheeow
Does anyone have the best way to display Tasmanian postmarks?? Is it in postmark order or town order or by stamp denomination and now I’m hooked “ HELP”…..
Do I start with the number cancelations on the first stamps and then go through to the type 1,2,3, etc for each town please help as i am now hooked...
Cheers Ian
Re: Best way to display Tasmanian postmarks??
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 3:48 pm
by John Hardinge
Well the good thing about collecting these is you can do it any way you want.
1) A-Z
2) By area(e.g. West Coast, Channel etc.)
3) By year by year date of introduction(pretty much the same as by "Type")
4) Certain types(all type 4's, rubber provisionals only, etc.)
5) Start with the numerals and then go to the CDS
All your choice really and all are equally valid.
Re: Best way to display Tasmanian postmarks??
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 5:13 pm
by Ross Ewington
After a break of many years, I have started collecting Tasmanian postmarks once again.
My approach this time is to show as many application of postmarks as possible (any type, any era)
So far I have postmarks on official letters, a recent car registration label, radio and TV licence renewals,
receipts for the purchase of Tasmanian stamp duties from a PO, various mail receipts (registered, certified),
return to sender mail, internal mail (i.e. post office to post office), international and British Empire reply
coupons, Commonwealth Bank Agency covers, re-directed mail and so on.
The reason that I am collecting material this way is that my previous approach was more a "Taxonomy of
Tasmanian Postmarks A-Z" with all types in chronological order, the occasional late or early date, a few covers, etc.,
After a while, every few pages started to look like every other 'few pages' which was fine for me but
pretty uninteresting for the uninitiated! By collecting postmarks on covers, documents and piece primarily, they should
provide lots of 'natural colour and movement' when I start to assemble a mounted and annotated collection.
Another approach (mentioned above by John) has also interested me and that is to collect a particular
geographical area. A favourite region for a number of collectors in the past and at present has been the West Coast.
The area I have always been keen to do is the Far Northwest and Circular Head. It would be quite a bit cheaper than the
West Coast (with it's many scarce and highly rates datestamps and barred numerals) but should be very interesting with shipping, railway,
mining, agricultural 'connections', etc. ..... all in a neatly defined area - thesea on two sides, the Pieman River to the south and the Sisters Hills/Rocky Cape
to the east.
Another if somewhat larger region would be the North East with the Tamar as a natural western boundary and the Fingal Valley marking
the southern 'border'.
All the best with you collecting 'sheeow' ..... as John said "....the good thing about collecting these is (that) you can do it any way you want."
Re: Best way to display Tasmanian postmarks??
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 5:37 pm
by sheeow
Well thanks to you all for your help and comments,
it seems that I can try and get my collection to cover off around the central coast here without being to particular. The thing is that I am starting to find the pictorials a bit of a challenge in color paper and in perforation as well as the postmarks,
so it should be fun any way I have to start somewhere so here goes nothing I should start with Sheffield as the center and go as far eat as Launceston and as far west as Smithton I guess and south??
thanks again for the help and It's great to be here again after a break of 3 years I love the snow on Mt Roland but thats another Story.
cheers for now Ian
Re: Best way to display Tasmanian postmarks??
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 7:15 pm
by admin
As a relative newcomer to this fascinating area, here is my 2/- worth.
I should add that both Ross and John have years of experience.
As they have said, the thing is to do what pleases you. Even for a formal Postal History exhibit, I dont think anyone is going to tell you exactly hoe you SHOULD do it, as long as you have a rationale.
For your own collection you can do what you like really - but having some guiding principles I find useful.
The standard method of collecting postmarks on Pictorials has been alphabetically by Post Office Name, IE from Abbotsham through to Zeehan East.
For the vast majority of offices, there is only one type of postmark during the period of issue of the Pictorials, IE December 1899 to early 1913. For a few there might be two different postmark types, and a smaller number there might be three EG, Wynyard has a type I, II, and III.
For a few offices, the 'standard' list as per the TPS website, which is from Keith Lancaster's book does not show all types, again, Wynyard, Burnie, Queenstown and a few other offices have a few different types and variations not listed. For Hobart, Launceton and Zeehan there are many variations and types. To work through these you need the "Green Books" - "Tasmania, The Postal History and Postal Markings . A lot of people do not collect the Hobart, Launceston and Zeehan types - its more of a specialisation, but nothing to stop you.
Some people like to collect the post marks on all the different Pictorial stamps, EG, the 1/2d, 1d, 2d, 2 1/2d, 3d, 4d. etc. I very much doubt anyone will ever get all postmarks on all stamps, but you can get complete sets of some on all stamps if you try.
Because the less common values were issued in far fewer numbers than the 1d and 2d, finding even common cds on these is a lot harder.
The barred numerals on Pictorials could presumably be collected by Post Office along with your cds's. Some people just collect the numerals and as far as I have seen, arrange them numerically. Personally I'd put both numerals and cds plus any manuscript cancels for that offices together but its purely a matter of choice.
For instance, where there may have seen an initial cds what was lost, then a period when the office used a manuscript cancel, then a new cds turns up.
You could conceivably collect the cds based on when they were issued, rather than alphabetically by post office . They were issued in batches throughout the period really from the first issue of date stamps in 1865 onwards.
Apart from Randall Askeland I don't think anyone has ever done this ?
Personally I was attracted to Regional collections and have a "King Island" collection trying to show all types from all offices for the Island. I did set out to do similar with Bruny and Flinders, as well as SE Tas. I'm still working on that but have learned the hard way some areas have extremely scarce postmarks. Still, with something like this you dont need a complete collection of everything .
You can of course go right back to the earliest postmarks even the markings of the pre-stamp era. Outside of the Pictorials, there are far fewer collectors and in theory less competition, but some mighty hefty prices too for very scarce items. Still, there are plenty of early barred numerals and circular date stamps especially form the second allocation period 1861, and the early date stamps from 1865 onwards ( there are a couple of earlier ones).
You will find a wealth of information in the last two Couriers by John Hardinge on the second allocation of barred numerals, to be concluded in edition 51, out soon !
The idea of a "Regional Collection" is a lot of fun, i reckon.
Pete
Re: Best way to display Tasmanian postmarks??
Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 5:03 pm
by Jeffharris
I am attempting to assemble a "Local Collecting" display based on my home town St. Helens. An article by Torsten Weller in the A.P.T. A. Year Book of 2008 was the inspiration for this. Initially I was restricting my efforts to just St. Helens, but decided to expand it to a 50km. radius around the town. Big mistake!! I now have to find cancels for places like Douglas River, Legunia, Pyegana West, Poimena [Blue Tier], Talawa[Trenah] and Wurrawa. Obviously, the best way is to start in a very small area and expand slowly.
Jeff.
Re: Best way to display Tasmanian postmarks??
Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 7:04 am
by sheeow
nice Jeff looks like Sheffield is the place to start and 10 ks around there are places like west Kentish Claude Rd etc looks like a long job ahead.and thanks to all for your help..
Re: Best way to display Tasmanian postmarks??
Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 10:14 am
by Ross Ewington
Hi Ian,
With a 10km radius from Sheffield you may be restricting yourself a little - how about trying to cover the Municipality of Kentish? .... it's a little larger area with lots of postmarks to collect. You could then expand to a neighbouring municipality like Latrobe once you're left with the really hard ones to find like Staverton Railway and Dasher. ...................... Ross
Re: Best way to display Tasmanian postmarks??
Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 6:41 pm
by sheeow
Thanks Ross,
It seems that I have a lot to learn yet but it also seems I have a great group of guides to help me on my way. Thanks for your help and that of Pete you make it a pleasure to be involved with the group.