POST 1912 DATESTAMP INQUIRIES - ASK QUESTIONS HERE !!

[griffofromtas]

Just a thought,is it possible that for those 2 days the 6 has been put in upside down thus showing the year as '89 instead of '86 ?
Cheers daryl

[John Hardinge]

Darryl, I have found another strike from the period and it seems we have a late 1989 shift to LDL and then back again early 1990. Good pick up.

[griffofromtas]

Hi All,
This is just a copy of a CDS that I have found in an old album but can not reference it anywhere. Can someone help with identification and usage?
Thanks Daryl

[admin]

Could be a railway cancel for parcel stamps . If no-one can confirm I can check next week when I get home .

[griffofromtas]

Hi All
I have this down as a Dover type 4 post 1932. Are all the type 4's datelines as messy as this one with the two different size 7's for the year(possibly a double strike with dateline changed) or is it something else?
Cheers Daryl

[griffofromtas]

Hi
Thanks for reply,could the Devonport CDS be the type M2 from Devonport Railway. It does have the same LRD as strike listed from PMG source and I know it came from an album which the previous owner had access to a lot of postal forms strikes etc both originals and copies.
Cheers Daryl

[admin]

I am fairly sure I have a copy on a parcel stamp but can't check until next week . John Hardinge is overseas at present otherwise he could confirm

[admin]

Daryl,
This is Type M2a, a Railway or possible PMG issue according to John Hardinge. There is a detailed article on these and other Railway Telegraph Office cancels in Courier No 52.( You can get a copy of this Courier for $10 plus postage from me if you dont have it- the Railway Cancels article is very interesting and shows a lot of rarely seen types.)
I have a copy on a 3d issue - Garratt 6d yellow, first issued 1919. There is also a version with CANCELLED at the top and DEVONPORT at the bottom which I have seen on the same series, on a 4d green issued from Hobart.

I also have a variety of other Railway Parcel Stamp cancells showing a variety of variation in design based on CANCELLED/STATION NAME. This makes me wonder if there may be scope to set up a census of Railway Cancels and I suspect there are more types than currently accounted for.

Pete

Hi All,
This is just a copy of a CDS that I have found in an old album but can not reference it anywhere. Can someone help with identification and usage?
Thanks Daryl

[griffofromtas]

Hi Pete
Thanks very much for your advise, It is a late usage of the Type M2a thus undoubtley from a PMG office checklist. A lot of other items where this copy of the original was found also came from PMG check and inventory lists.I would expect that both the M2 and M2a late date copies are from the same PMG inventory list and were struck at the same time.What do you think?
Cheers Daryl

[admin]

Daryl,
You are probably right. As they seem to have been obtained at the same time I guess they had been returned to Stores for destruction and were recorded as a group. Maybe someone decided to take a strike before they were destroyed or maybe the practise was to keep a strike for audit or similar
Pete

[MaxH]

Launceston R6a(xv) It appears that one of these examples is unlisted ion Hardinge.
They cannot be R6a(xiv) as the letters are not particularly large and the dates are too late.
Therefore one of these is the R6a(xv) and the other is a variant. The size pof the postmarks are different and the 6 is curled tail on one and straight on the other.
Any ideas please.

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[josto]

Hello,

I found this Gwandalan postmark. Is it Rated somehow?



thanks a lot

[Ross Ewington]

GWANDALAN Type 4 is rated RRR

[MaxH]

Launceston Type 2b(ii), 2bT(iii) and 2bT(v) postmarks. I am finding these very confusing as they do not seem to fully fit the descriptions in Hardinge.
2bT(ii) seems to fit the dates and the bars are 4.5 mm long But the 'e' in Launceston is not small and the time has been barred out.
2bT(iii) Seems to fit, but the date looks like 1919 as the spacing does not seem large enough for a higher year. Sadly the right bar is missing but the left is definitely 3mm.
2bT(v) The year 1932 fits, but the bars are only 5mm long.
any ideas please?
Max Hunter

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[John Hardinge]

These would be, respectively. 2bT(ii) first up. The "E" is much smaller than in other similar CDS. Tye second is Type 2bT(i). The letters here are larger than other types. Lastly, Type 2bT(iii), which I made the bars of to be 5mm, 5.5mm. Sometimes one can be up to 1/2mm off as the CDS expands with wear or if the strike has some excess ink causing "splatter".

[Ross Ewington]

I think that I have seen another example of this Type 3 datestamp before but where and when is lost in the mists of time!

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Does anyone have a theory about how a Type 3 cds could have had an 'outer frame' 7mm outside the 'normal' frame?

What would the datestamp have looked like?

[Ross Ewington]

I have found similar datestamp impression to the one I posted above

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This time, it's also a Type 3 cds but it's not from Launceston. It is the Hobart Parcels Branch Type 3(xii) datestamp.

The outer frame is also about 7mm beyond the 'normal' datestamp frame.

[John Campton]

I have attached a scan of the Type 4 Gormanston cds that is known 20.12.1922 - 20.12.1968. Don't ask me why the first and last use dates were the 20th December. In the image shown the first numeral of the year is small. The Type 5 used at Gormanston is known 16.3.1949 - 31.3.1969. Could it be that a type 5 numeral end up in a type 4 cds. Has anyone else noticed this variation?

[Ross Ewington]

Hi John

I think that the '6' has shape of the large numbered datewheel roller ...it's just a bit smaller. There are other similar examples but I can't cite one 'off the cuff'

Also, I believe that the small numbered datewheel rollers had neoprene faced numbers and the '6' in your image looks to be an impression made with a steel number

.....but then again, I could be wrong!

Ross

[John Hardinge]

The 6 is large type but none the less a type manufactured later than the others. It's likely that the original CDS probably did not go beyond 1950 and new year type were manufactured for the CDS then, just ever so slightly smaller than the previous ones. Same thing happened at a few offices, Gould Country for one with the TYpe 2b there.

[Harper123]

Anybody know if the postmark of Highcroft, Tasmania, dated 1935, is rated somehow? Unfortunately the Tasmanian Postmark wiki is still incomplete.

[John Hardinge]

Highcroft used the same TYpe 4 postmark from 1924 to 1971. It is not rated. I would recommend purchasing the Tasmanian CDS book from the TPS website, it gives you a complete list.